Space:1889- Victorian Values

Marauder · Joined: 10 Jan 2007 Posts: 111

While I've made mention of this roleplaying game before, I think it's worth an additional mention, simply because of all the background information on the times it contains. it's currently available on Amazon.com with new copies going for about $22, and used for $20 and under. while very 'steampunk' in nature, it also contains a lot of useful background. For example, here's an aside they have about the values of the time.

Marauder · Joined: 10 Jan 2007 Posts: 111

VICTORIAN VALUES

Victorian society was characterized by strong adherence to a widely accepted set of values, and many of the actions of the British government and her citizens can be explained by that. Each value tended to produce virtues and vices, sometimes, paradoxically, at the same time and in the same person. All that was best and all that was worst about Victorian society lay in these virtues and vices.

HONESTY: VIRTUE Personal Integrity, Fair Dealing VICE Naivete and disdain for alien codes of behavior

LOYALTY: VIRTUE Sense of duty VICE Failure to examine orders or actions of comrades

RESOLUTION: VIRTUE Dynamism, Sense of purpose VICE Inflexibility, Intolerance

"PROGRESS": VIRTUE Concern for improvement VICE Disregard for foreign values, Tendency to meddle

ENTHUSIASM: VIRTUE Good humor, Vigor VICE Lack of foresight and planning, Failure to learn from others

SPORTSMANSHIP: VIRTUE Fitness, Team Spirit VICE Obsession with games, Anti-intellectualism

BRAVERY: VIRTUE Courage, Leadership VICE Rashness, Militancy

DETACHMENT: VIRTUE Fair judgment, Cool reasoning VICE Coldness, Lack of sympathy

PRIDE OF RACE: VIRTUE High self-esteem VICE Racism, Bigotry

At his (or her) best the Victorian Englishman combined a boyish zest for hard work and adventure with tremendous personal courage and integrity. At his worst he was smug, prudish, half-witted, hostile to everything alien to his race and class, and pointlessly obsessed with sporting activities. The difficulty for outsiders was that very often all these attributes, positive and negative, could be found in the same individual. Add to this mixture the frequent eccentricities cultivated by Victorians, and one might meet a particularly 'rum character' or 'queer fish,' a fellow whose obvious virtues were somehow counterbalanced by strange or unattractive quirks of character.

Xebulon · Joined: 28 Mar 2007 Posts: 2112

Interesting. That is something I will have to check out. Thank you for bringing it to our attention.

Drake_Skyflyer · Joined: 07 Jan 2007 Posts: 252

Same here, and wow it's been a while since i last posted. I should try and keep track more often but with work i'm all busy busy busy.

LabrnMystic · Joined: 27 Jul 2005 Posts: 2505

The anthromorphic one I can suggest, and I believe I've made mention of it before is "After the Bomb" which can help anyone new to Anthromorphism help flesh out how far human and how much animalistic your character is. It ranges in everything from the physical body, to natural skills, even how developed one's brain is.

Also its good to see you Drake. You should come by more often if you can. How are your writings and workings coming along?

kommy · Joined: 07 Sep 2006 Posts: 976

I've always had fun with Ironclaw and Albedo if you want furry RPGs. Ironclaw especially. Such a fascinating combat system, I love how it works and feels when you got it down.

And I'm (Somewhat) pleased to see I maintain most of those values, save for Sportsmanship. I fit in pretty well, it seems.

Xebulon · Joined: 28 Mar 2007 Posts: 2112

Worldtree (don't remember the publisher) and Mutants in Orbit (Palladium, aka Rifts) are two more RPG's that center around anthropomorphic animals.

Marauder · Joined: 10 Jan 2007 Posts: 111

All good anthro roleplaying games. and I have most of them. I recommend 1889 not because it's anthro, but because of the setting and the sheer amount of information on the era that GDW put into the book. While the rules set in the book is rather weak, the background and history more than makes up for it.

Thinking on it, I'd suggest visiting Amazon.com and reading the reviews that buyers have put up, they give a real feel for the book overall.

LabrnMystic · Joined: 27 Jul 2005 Posts: 2505

kommy wrote: And I'm (Somewhat) pleased to see I maintain most of those values, save for Sportsmanship. I fit in pretty well, it seems.

Yes, but how many of the vices do you have as well my dear? *raises an eyebrow*

Myself:
HONESTY: VIRTUE Personal Integrity, Fair Dealing VICE Naivete
LOYALTY: VIRTUE Sense of duty VICE -
RESOLUTION: VIRTUE Dynamism (Rather, I come up with complex reasons why things happen, or I just call it Luck :P) VICE -
"PROGRESS": VIRTUE - VICE -
ENTHUSIASM: VIRTUE Good humor, Vigor VICE Lack of foresight and planning
SPORTSMANSHIP: VIRTUE Fitness, Team Spirit VICE Obsession with games
BRAVERY: VIRTUE Courage, Leadership VICE Rashness
DETACHMENT: VIRTUE Fair judgment, Cool reasoning VICE -
PRIDE OF RACE: VIRTUE - VICE -

Ashton Gray · Joined: 15 Feb 2007 Posts: 4661

This could easily become quite popular, all of us posting the virtues and vices we posses from this list.

Xebulon · Joined: 28 Mar 2007 Posts: 2112

This could be a fun little poll. Rate yourself according to these parameters.

Let's see. I would be...

HONESTY: VIRTUE-Fair Dealing VICE-Naivety

LOYALTY: VIRTUE-Sense of duty VICE-

RESOLUTION: VIRTUE-Dynamism, Sense of purpose VICE-Inflexibility

"PROGRESS": VIRTUE-Concern for improvement VICE-Tendency to meddle

ENTHUSIASM: VIRTUE-Good humor VICE-Lack of foresight and planning

SPORTSMANSHIP: VIRTUE-Team Spirit VICE-Obsession with games

BRAVERY: VIRTUE- VICE-

DETACHMENT: VIRTUE-Fair judgment, Cool reasoning VICE-

PRIDE OF RACE: VIRTUE- VICE-

Ashton Gray · Joined: 15 Feb 2007 Posts: 4661

Looks like I was right.

Personally, I think I mine are...

HONESTY: VIRTUE Personal Integrity, Fair Dealing VICE Naivete

LOYALTY: VIRTUE Sense of duty VICE

RESOLUTION: VIRTUE Dynamism, Sense of purpose VICE

"PROGRESS": VIRTUE Concern for improvment VICE

ENTHUSIASM: VIRTUE Good humor, Vigor VICE

SPORTSMANHIP: VIRTUE Team Spirit VICE Obsession with games

BRAVERY: VIRTUE Courage, Leadership VICE

DETACHMENT: VIRTUE Fair judgment, Cool reasoning VICE

PRIDE OF RACE: VIRTUE High self-esteem VICE

kommy · Joined: 07 Sep 2006 Posts: 976

LabrnMystic wrote: kommy wrote: And I'm (Somewhat) pleased to see I maintain most of those values, save for Sportsmanship. I fit in pretty well, it seems.

Yes, but how many of the vices do you have as well my dear? *raises an eyebrow*

Oh, pretty much all of them. Just don't get me started on the innate greatness of the vulpine race (and vixens in particular). 8)

Xebulon · Joined: 28 Mar 2007 Posts: 2112

kommy wrote: Just don't get me started on the innate greatness of the vulpine race (and vixens in particular). 8)

"When vulpine eyes are smiling, they're usually up to something." :)

Ashton Gray · Joined: 15 Feb 2007 Posts: 4661

Xebulon, she said don't get her started.

Xebulon · Joined: 28 Mar 2007 Posts: 2112

Sorry, I couldn't resist. :D I can somewhat sympathize though, as my first (and most frequent) fursona is a fox.

LabrnMystic · Joined: 27 Jul 2005 Posts: 2505

Well, if we're going by fursonas, I'm afraid I'm far off from the normal feline, being that I don't have such a high sense of pride that the usual feline has.

Ashton Gray · Joined: 15 Feb 2007 Posts: 4661

I did'nt think we were going by our fursonas, I certainly did'nt.

Xebulon · Joined: 28 Mar 2007 Posts: 2112

Neither did I. I was referring to my "Vulpine eyes" joke.

Ashton Gray · Joined: 15 Feb 2007 Posts: 4661

One of us is'nt talking about the same thing the others are, methinks. My last post was refering to our listing of Virtues and Vices from the list given.

LabrnMystic · Joined: 27 Jul 2005 Posts: 2505

Well, never you mind me then and keep doing what your doing.